[Earlier, we had seen a beautiful turkey vulture alight onto a stump not far off, and it spread its wings in a glorious display of birdness. Then when Dave was testing the connection, he heard “A message from 2 years ago” or something similar. I looked at the closest 2023 Em session but I didn’t find much]

K

Okay. Hello, hello to our lovely friends who are here in beautiful Jack’s Peak.

D

We can show you how to study.

K

Well, we’re jumping right into it. We would love to learn from you how to study. Just make a note. It is Saturday, June 28, 2025, here in beautiful Jacks Peak park. And our spirit friends are going to tell us how to study. So please, I would love to learn from you.

D

What do all these legends have in common?

K

Oh, now that is an interesting thought, because I have been looking into legends lately. Greek legends in particular. What they all have in common….

D

Producing extra [something] you can also check out.

Dave

What can we check out something? No, I don’t think Dave heard you. Can you try sharing that again? In my opinion, all of these legends are trying to make it easier for humans to understand a non-human divine intelligence. So they kind of anthropomorphize deities and spirit, almost like they’re humans or of human mind. Makes it easier.

D

Hero image.

K

Exactly. Yes. A lot of times they are like stories.

D

They found a piece of it.

K

Okay, you can mean that in a few ways. You might mean that the people writing the stories or creating the stories back in the day found like a piece of those semi-divine–I don’t know. Tell me more about what you mean by finding a piece of the hero image.

[aside: we tried to think of 5 myths each

Dave: birth of zeus

birth of hermes

birth of apollo

mars fathering romulus and remus

Theme: birth

Kate: Journey of the argonauts

atalanta

birth of hermes

Orpheus charming the trees

Minotaur

Theme: doing things people said were impossible (with Orpheus as the exception, all would have faced prominent nay-saying)

D

And we do it all.

K

You do it all. Okay. Yeah, tell me more about finding a piece of the hero image or really anything that you want to tell us about studying these old legends. It sparked my interest because I’ve been studying Orpheus, who is known to be one of those Greek heroes.

D

What I got, you got to give it.

K

That’s a great song, isn’t it? Well, what do you got? Tell me what you got.

D

Subject to the tears of a law.

K

Tears of Allah. You know, I. I’m gonna have to look that up.

D

[Wait, that might not have been “a law”. It might have been “la mejor.”]

K

Oh, tears of the best, huh? Or the. The biggest. The best. Okay, so yeah, that can mean many things. I think maybe amber or citrine was considered to be the tears of Apollo. Rain can be the tears–

D

See, the presence of indigenous people. Aho! Same.

K

Okay.

D

That we lost in translation.

K

Are there some indigenous people here right now? Aho is a common indigenous greeting.  I don’t know if it’s from this area, but are we joined here right now by indigenous people? If you meant something else, please explain. That’s just how it sounded to me.

D

Even if you can’t make it 2001 on your radio.

K

To make it 2001 on our radio. Well, we can’t time travel. That I know of. We could play music from 2001.

D

That’s right. At the same time.

K

Tell me more about what you mean. Were you asking for music from 2001? That seems kind of an odd thing. So I’m not sure if I have that correct.

D

Though I could. Style is from Hawk and Promises.

K

what.

D

[D: battery is dead. Is not a surprise because I never charge it.]

K

Oh, no.

D

Hold on just a moment.

K

Okay, I’m gonna pause this. It turns out battery of the… I don’t even know what that is.

D

It’s an adapter so that I can use Bluetooth.

K

Okay, Bluetooth adapter is out of juice, so I’m going to pause it.

Kate

Okay. Sorry for the break. We just had to switch out the headphones that Dave was using, so I think we were talking about music from 2001. I’m just not sure if I interpreted that correctly.

D

Yeah, the reason why it happened across the field is the same. [Shakes head]

K

Dave didn’t understand you. Can you try saying that again? By the way, Dave left some snacks over there for you and your critters. Some tasty berries. So feel free to go in there and have a snack.

D

Coupled with your great renewal.

Kate

Our great renewal? I’m not totally sure what you mean. What do you mean, our great renewal? Has something happened to renew us. Maybe for Dave. Dave just got out of a rough employment situation.

D

I feel good.

Kate

You feel good. I’m glad you feel good. What’s making you feel good today?

D

What can I do? Separation anxiety here sometimes.

Kate

Oh, who are you–where is that coming from? Are you afraid of being separated from someone you love?

D

You’re always on time.

Kate

Well, I’m. I’m glad to know that. We. We don’t really have a schedule for coming here, but, you know, we do it regularly. Hope you know we’ll come back. Hope you’re not–

D

Have speakers at the house.

Kate

Is true. Are you referring to Badger and Owl? Those are our house Guardians. They live with us. We were introduced to them in the same way through the same method. Is that who you mean?

D

Oh, my.

Kate

Yeah. Sounds like something surprised you just now. What was that?

D

That’s why we’re here.

Kate

You’re here because of Badger and Owl?

D

Lots of chit chat. But let’s get back to being around down there.

Kate

All right? Yeah. Yeah, we can dispense with chit chat. Tell me what you’d like to talk about.

D

The impulsive one protects that now.

Kate

The impulsive one? I wonder who you mean. I am certainly not an impulsive person, Dave is sometimes I guess. Maybe you mean somebody else who’s impulsive.

D

Something changed.

Kate

Oh, okay. Tell me about what changed. I’m interested in hearing your perspective about what changed.

D

It. Well, in our business, it’s the weather, you know.

Kate

Your business is the weather. So are you beings that manage the weather or maybe you repair things after storms. I’m not sure what you mean. Could you explain?

D

Very moving. The treats.

Kate

You like the treats? Yeah, they’re good for you. Full of…. Well, okay. For humans. They’re good for humans. I don’t know about you, but they’re tasty. One of my favorites.

D

That’s great work. We love that.

Kate

I’m glad. Yeah, we try to bring. Bring a few snacks and treats every time we visit you.

D

Bueno. Bueno.

Kate

Yeah, we’ll keep doing that. So you were talking about heroes. You were talking about indigenous people. You’re talking about something that had changed. Do you want to elaborate on those any more? Love to talk with you, but I’m not sure where to start.

D

All right, so listen.

Kate

Okay.

D

Every single guess is not a secret.

Kate

Okay, so you’re saying if one of us makes a guess, other people are aware of it? I guess that would make sense if we said it out loud or in a way that other people could hear. Is it meaningful in some way that other people know our guesses? Maybe you mean that you’re listening to me and Dave’s conversation where we kind of theorize about metaphysical truths or something.

D

Your something brings to life $10,000. I know how it sounds.

Kate

It sounds great, actually. Tell me what brings $10,000? I could use $10,000 and more.

D

Sometimes I feel like a nut. Geez. It’s the local alliance.

Kate

Oh, okay. There’s a local alliance helping me bring $10,000 to life. That sounds great. Who are the people in the alliance? Or I guess I should say, what do you want to say about the alliance? Do I need to enlist their help?

D

I got it.

Kate

Okay.

D

I may not go into details.

Kate

Oh, okay. So you can’t really talk about it, can you? Talk about it in a broad way? Like maybe not details, but just some general information about the alliance.

D

Follow the eagle’s cry to solutions. Bueno. Gathering a heart in the world. Legendary.

Kate

Legendary eagle. Bringing a heart to the world. Well, we have an eagle friend. Her name’s Avisa. We also sometimes think of Jupiter’s eagles or Zeus’s eagles.

D

Like during an awards ceremony for the brothers.

Kate

Oh, for the brothers. Oh, which brothers?

D

Like in the Coliseum. It’s a good time.

Kate

Brothers in the Coliseum. Okay, I’m gonna have to look that up. You might mean like a Roman Colosseum.

D

Remember education and the arts?

Kate

Yeah. Do you mean Romulus and Remus? I believe those were the founders of Rome. Maybe that’s something to do with the Colosseum.

D

by your side. Better for your perspective.

Kate

Well, if you’re by my side right now, I’m so sorry I can’t see you or perceive you. Let me know if there’s something I should do to be able to perceive you.

D

Uh huh. Just build it.

Kate

Build what? What are you suggesting I build.

D

A heart of what I bring is passion and joy.

Kate

That sounds great. Passion and joy are like wonderful emotions to have What is bringing you passion and joy? Sounds like something you’re building is bringing you passion and joy.

D

Thank you for tuning in Saturdays and Sundays.

Kate

You’re welcome. Thank you for talking with us when we come.

D

Delightful and warm enough. Sometimes people disappear. Energy is what keeps us here.

Kate

Oh, sometimes people disappear, but your energy keeps you here.

D

Actually, it’s wonderful. The batteries are charging.

Kate

Are you saying when we give you some of our attention, that it gives you energy and helps you remain here somehow? Is that what you mean?

D

How would you feel if you’re next to Apollo?

Kate

If I’m next to Apollo? Well, that would be really wonderful. Incredibly wonderful. I don’t feel him right now, if that’s what you mean. Doesn’t mean he’s not here. Just that perhaps I’m not in the right state to perceive him. But it…Tell me why–

D

Got to be, ma’am.

Kate

Yeah, we got to be in the right state.

D

Get this. Solar is listening. Find [something]

Kate

Okay, Dave didn’t hear that. So if Apollo was here–

D

Places to go home.

Kate

Oh, places to go home. Are you talking about our physical home right now? Are you talking about a spiritual home or a future home? Something else. Tell me about that.

D

Lovely friends and children, a surgeon and at night, featuring recorded instances and something right on the wharf.

Kate

That sounds very pleasant. Is that the home you’re talking about? Like families–

D

Yes, with capital letters.

Kate

Right on the wharf is our home? Okay, do you mean that’s our home?

D

Try it out. It’s an energy.

Kate

Are you suggesting that Dave and I should go down to the wharf? Do you mean like the wharf in Monterey, like Fisherman’s Wharf? Or do you mean the Santa Cruz wharf or somewhere else?

D

Let’s hear from a weatherman on the scene. How’s it going?

Kate

For me, it’s going quite well. This is very interesting. It’s a little hard to understand just due to our method of communication. How’s it going for you… weatherman?

D

Right. And some of the suffering is madness.

Kate

Oh, tell me about it. There’s an awful lot of suffering.

D

Shake it off.

Kate

Yeah, yeah. I’m doing my best to shake off the suffering. You know, you can’t control necessarily what happens around you, but suffering is usually a choice. I don’t know. I could probably do better at that. I’ll try to remember. I’m sure suffering gets in the way of these kinds of communications. Can you talk to me more about why you were saying the wharf?

D

And where is this philosophy progressing according to all positions?

Kate

I couldn’t say. I can’t tell the future. I’m not sure which philosophy you’re talking about. Do you mean, like, literal?

D

It can be shocking for other people to hear.

Kate

Mm. Do you mean philosophy? Like. Like I’ve been listening to a book about Plato and studying Neoplatonists. Or do you mean like, something broader than that?

D

A brother. Vast. First.

Kate

Brother. Maybe you mean the sons of Zeus. Or maybe you mean just, like an ordinary person. Maybe you mean Dave. Dave has a brother.

D

Anytime you see animals sheltering and under the sun, tourism is a movie.

Kate

I’m sorry. I didn’t understand that.

D

The audience is virtual.

Kate

Animals sheltering under the sun. Virtual audience watching a tourist movie. Do you mean people are watching me and Dave? You think we’re animals sheltering under the sun? Maybe you mean actual animals curled up somewhere. That was a confusing one. Not gonna lie.

D

[D: This isn’t from the box, but the name of the book, Bless me Ultima, came to mind really strong.]

Kate

Oh, that actually was on my reading list. Okay, we’ll look into that. Thank you for the recommendation.

D

Solar panels instead of television stations. It’s true.

Kate

Well, those are two very different functions. Solar panels convert solar energy to energy we can use to power devices. And television shows are like entertainment.

D

Under The influence of magic. Five songs.

Kate

Okay. Are you suggesting that I find five songs or that I create five songs?

D

Kate?

Kate

Yes, I’m listening.

D

Yeah, she knows what we’re talking about.

Kate

I’m not totally sure because I could interpret it in multiple ways. So you might have been telling me to do some magic aimed at finding five specific songs. Or you might have been asking me to create.

D

Sometimes hand it over to gods. That’s what they want.

K

So that’s what they want. Is that what you want?

D

Look forward at the intersection of those.

Kate

Okay.

D

Look for the place all through the same.

Kate

I’ll have to go back and listen to what you just said. I was amused at two teenage boys.

D

So we can do that. The process flows.

Kate

Okay? The process flow. Sorry, I got distracted by those kids who were just utterly baffled by what they were seeing.

D

Later today. An indication. How’s that?

Kate

That’s great. I would love an indication of anything you want to talk to me about? What should we look for when we look for this indication? Can you give us a hint.

D

And what a blessing that is?

Kate

It would be a blessing. When we encounter the indication, what will it be indicating.

D

Rather than show the fate? Every holiday stocks up.

Kate

I didn’t really understand that. I’m sorry.

D

It’s a birthday party.

Kate

Oh, Happy birthday to somebody. Whose birthday is it your birthday? My birthday’s not for a while.

D

Unlimited descriptions. After midnight. This tradition.

Kate

Descriptions after midnight. This tradition in reference to a birthday party that might indicate that somebody’s birthday is tomorrow. Tomorrow’s June 29th. Okay, let’s go back for a minute. You indicated. You said something like, what if Apollo is sitting right next to you?

D

All gifts are tax deductible. That’s de luna in question.

Kate

Tax deductible. Gifts of the moon. Okay, sure. I would love some gifts from the moon. Tax deductible. I don’t think the moon pays taxes.

D

There’s a latency. We got to.

Kate

Oh, okay. Okay. So I’m just gonna state my question. When you talked about Apollo being next to me, where were you going with that? Do you mean he’s–and you said something like, he’s listening. What does that mean? What’s the implication of him sitting next to me and listening?

D

Well, yeah, it’s like adding to the scientific. A big paycheck.

Kate

I’d love a big paycheck. How do we get a big paycheck. Is that really what Apollo would have been talking about? A big paycheck? Maybe you meant that metaphorically.

D

A believer.

Kate

A believer. All right. What’s the belief that someone is a believer about what they believe in?

D

Yo, the heart is like a baby.

Kate

I can believe that. I think the heart doesn’t necessarily approach life through the intellect, much like a baby doesn’t either. Baby’s intellect hasn’t developed.

D

Tell him, boys.

Kate

I’m listening.

D

Good to me. The God of the hope in all.

Kate

The God of hope. Now who is–

D

Attractive? Something?

Kate

The attractive God of hope. Well, I’m not sure who the God of hope is. I recall the legend of Hermes putting hope into Pandora.

D

It’s okay, relax. Five over the ocean.

Kate

Oh, five over the ocean. Five what? Or five who? What do you mean by five over the ocean? You’ve shared a lot of really interesting things today. I’m gonna have to go back and, like, very carefully listen and think about what you said.

D

Coming in the mid. As you’re doing that.

Kate

What do you mean? I don’t understand. When you say as you’re doing that. I mean, I was playing on my lyre. Maybe that’s what you meant.

D

And the listening. Yes. So it doesn’t get lost in the mail.

Kate

Okay, so. So you mean you’re listening to me play the lyre. Sorry. I’m not understanding the significance of what you’re saying. Can you try again?

D

[D: Try that again]

Kate

Yeah, get. Can you maybe just think of all the things you’ve talked about today and pick one that you think is super important that we understand and try to communicate that to us. Just focus on the thing that is that you think is most meaningful–

D Look at the soul. In there.

Kate

Ah, the. Okay, look at the soul. So pay attention to the soul. But what do you mean by in there? The soul in the body?

D

Hahah, what?

Kate

Yeah, that’s. That’s kind of how I feel. Like what? All right, so I’m thinking about the soul. I assume you mean the soul within the human body. I’m thinking about it. Soul. Now what? Is there a direction I should go in thinking about the soul.

D

That is a relationship and shows us and you.

Kate

Okay, so the soul is a relationship that you and I can both perceive, but what does it show you? I mean, you probably already know that humans have souls housed in bodies, so … maybe you didn’t know that. I don’t know. I’m thinking about souls. Where do I go from there?

D

Many in the Republic are saying truth but never will.

Kate

Oh, yeah. If you mean people in our government are saying they’re saying the truth, but they actually aren’t. You are correct.

D

Brothers.

Kate

Yeah. So you keep talking about brothers. So brothers–

D

Well, sometimes that’s not working for me.

Kate

Tell me why you keep talking about brothers. Who are the brothers you are talking about? Please give me some indication of who you’re talking about, because there are billions of brothers in the world. You could be talking about so many people.

D

In general, high and low is the same jackpot. One in a thousand.

Kate

As above, so below? Maybe that’s what you mean. We have brothers in the higher planes. I don’t know.

D

Blessed. Is it us, we’re out there.

Kate

You’re blessed and you’re out there. I believe you. Yeah. Maybe you’re talking about your brother who…. Okay, so from my human perspective, you just say brothers, and I get the feeling like there’s something important about it or you wouldn’t have said it. But I don’t know.

D

Energy and we going higher.

Kate

I don’t know which direction to take my thinking about brothers because it could mean so many things. So I need you to kind of give me some clarifying information.

D

Look for the chances that come your way.

Kate

Yeah, absolutely. I definitely plan to do that. And if you think doing something in particular would improve my–

D

Well, I mean, you got free will, right?

Kate

I do indeed. Is there anything I should do so that I’m better able to spot these chances coming my way. Or Dave’s.

D

Wing and a prayer. I’m on my way.

Kate

Okay. All right, let’s try it again. Out of all the things you’ve been talking about, what’s the one thing you want us to know most?

D

It’s been a while.

Kate

What’s the one thing you want us to know most out of everything you’ve talked about? About that’ll help me focus and. And focus on the most meaningful thing right now.

D

We’re alive during this interview.

Kate

Yes. I am glad to hear that. So, all right. Do you have any questions for us? Maybe something you are curious about that you want us to talk to you about.

D

On the way home and right now through you is on the phone.

Kate

So maybe you’re comparing the way we’re talking right now to being on the phone, and you’re saying that extends to also when we’re coming home from this place, you can hear us then. Okay, keep trying. Do you have any questions for us? Anything you’re curious about, you want us to talk to you about? If that was a question you asked previously, I didn’t understand it.

D

[D: I’m sorry. I just can’t get that.]Okay, Find the string in between. It’s like a striko engine.

Kate

Okay, so a string in between. If you’re talking about my lyre, it would be using a sharp press here like this.

D

This kind of short time is when you’re ready.

Kate

Short time in between string. That’s the in between string. So I think maybe you’re talking about maybe an in between state of mind. What will happen if I can achieve that string in between.

D

Research centers in our side.

Kate

Oh, you have research centers where you are. What are you researching?

D

With one purpose.

Kate

Okay, what is it?

D

Save free space. Fresh berries through us. Hey, now.

Kate

Fresh berries. Well, that was the snack we left you. So your sole purpose for your research center is to get fresh berries. That’s not a bad aim. That’s not a bad aim. But I kind of think maybe that’s not what you meant. Tell me again what you’re researching. Are you researching something about our world, in our lives, our culture here? Like where me and Dave–

D

Delos tiempo in the music and the extra eras.

Kate

The time in the music.

D

Interest in favor

Kate

The weather in the music? It can mean a couple things. And the eras. Okay, well, a lot of the music that I play on this lyre is from a different era, an earlier era. Time signatures do tend to be different and confusing.

D

Well, that goes without saying. Ha Ha ha ha. For now. After all these years, you got that?

Kate

It seems awfully… a very literal interpretation.

D

It shows the power of lightning.

Kate

Power of lightning. It is an extremely powerful force, isn’t it? Lightning is essentially what brought us fire and therefore electricity which powers our world. Why did you bring up lightning? You know, obviously you’ve been talking about gods quite a bit and in the Greek pantheon, it’s Zeus. Or in Roman, Jupiter. Thor.

D

We’ll find out more.

Kate

Okay.

D

And in today’s noisy. [Something, something.]

Kate

I don’t think Dave understood you. Can you try communicating that again? He said, in today’s noisy. It’s definitely a lot of noise in our world.

D

I might have to stop.

Kate

Okay. So thank you to our spirit friends. I think we’re having to stop for a while. Dave needs a break. Thank you for talking with us. I’m glad that you’re enjoying the snacks. Don’t worry, we will come back and I hope your life is very pleasant and happy until we talk again.

D

We. Holy crap. Crap. That was a lot of energy. Okay, that’s all I needed to say.

Kate

Anything in particular about…. about it that you wanna say

D

Most of it was a lot of fun, but sometimes it was kind of overwhelming.

Kate

Okay, then I’m gonna stop.

D

Yeah.